League rules (exploits etc.)

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22 April 2014 - 12:31 CEST
#31

swalk says


Wob says


Someone who understands how feedback topics should be made! It might also be noted that the efficacy of instating new rules might increase without aggressive subtext.



You don't get it do you? I was not agressive in my initial post. Even if it is percieved as agressive, that should not make it a reason to dismiss it. If it does, that means there is a bad leadership.




You're saying you don't understand how it doesn't come across as "Zef didn't listen to my PM so I'm gonna write a thread trying to call him lazy and out of touch with the community"?


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Making people laugh at the expense of volunteers' work is pretty despicable and is more on the side of douchebagery rather than light trolling.



I try to make people laugh at all expenses, even my own. If people can't handle that, then it is their problem. It's healthy to have some fun.




You're "light hearted trolling" is not just between you and him. You've tried to publicly humiliate him so that other people might laugh. Making people laugh at someone else's expense often has a fine line and you've clearly crossed it.


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Wob says


But of course lets first wipe out the significant psychological advantage of starting marines first via rule insertion instead of sportmanship in an amateur, NOT professional, league. (Sarcasm)



Even if it's an amateur league, the games are still serious. That is also part of the reason why it is relevant. If every player in the league did not have a prefered side to play, then it would not matter. But that is not the case.




You don't get it and now this long winded conversation is obviously completely off topic. I don't care much for the rules which have been brought up. I only care for the lack of respect given to people who give so much of their time to deserve it. I just drew up the ironic comparison that you want a to nail down some ambiguous (and in the end, meaningless) points like a professional contract binding teams to start on one side, which can be sorted out by amateurish sportsmanship.


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Rumour had it Zefram was close to just quitting altogether after the ns2wc because of the amount of abuse he received and lack of faith in the community. The simple fact is, he is the best thing we have to run the league and he's doing a top job of it. Some mistakes are made in the eyes of the community and he's taken the time to correct some of them he deemed worthy of correcting and admit his mistake. People need to realise this and take some food for thought because Zefram could just do what swalk did and walk away. Then we could be left for shit.



It's hardly a large task to reinstate a few old(and relevant) rules into the new ruleset. Sure, he generally does a pretty great job, much better than I did at many points, I admit that. But that does not mean we should not call out the points where we think he is wrong. That is not abuse, that is for the better of the league. That's part of the role he has and he should not take it personal.
I did not just walk out, I gave blind a decent amount of time to find a replacement for me before I quit my position. I'm sure Zefram would do the same if he is thinking of quitting. Someone else who feels up for the task would just take over. No biggie.




Thx for taking bait. I didn't have to chuck in your name there, I could have left it out like you could have left zefram out. The fact is I never intended to have any of those points reflect on you apart from the walking away comment. But you see by how chucking your name in there you project all those statements as some sort of comparison to you? That leads you to getting defensive. Now imagine these types of threads, comments, rumours popping up all over the place, time after time. People just need to leave this pathetic bickering out of discussions and work on the real issues that are the RULES, not the PEOPLE.
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22 April 2014 - 15:50 CEST
#32

Wob says

You're saying you don't understand how it doesn't come across as "Zef didn't listen to my PM so I'm gonna write a thread trying to call him lazy and out of touch with the community"?



I really don't. I'm saying that we disagreed and thats why I bring it to the forums. I never said he was lazy or "out of touch", your mind is playing tricks on you. You read what you want to read apparently. Let me tell you a secret, there is no text in between the lines.


Wob says

You're "light hearted trolling" is not just between you and him. You've tried to publicly humiliate him so that other people might laugh. Making people laugh at someone else's expense often has a fine line and you've clearly crossed it.



Again, entirely off the track. Read the initial post again. I did not cross any line, before getting attacked personally by Zefram. It's entirely socially acceptable to protest and I said it as a light joke, as in I didn't really mean it like a proper protest.


Wob says

You don't get it and now this long winded conversation is obviously completely off topic. I don't care much for the rules which have been brought up. I only care for the lack of respect given to people who give so much of their time to deserve it. I just drew up the ironic comparison that you want a to nail down some ambiguous (and in the end, meaningless) points like a professional contract binding teams to start on one side, which can be sorted out by amateurish sportsmanship.



If you aren't for or against reinstating the rules brought up in the topic, you should probably just shut the fuck up. I did not disrespect Zefram in any way until he attacked me personally.


Wob says


Thx for taking bait. I didn't have to chuck in your name there, I could have left it out like you could have left zefram out. The fact is I never intended to have any of those points reflect on you apart from the walking away comment. But you see by how chucking your name in there you project all those statements as some sort of comparison to you? That leads you to getting defensive. Now imagine these types of threads, comments, rumours popping up all over the place, time after time. People just need to leave this pathetic bickering out of discussions and work on the real issues that are the RULES, not the PEOPLE.



I agree with some of what you say here. But there is a big difference in using someones name to tell about your experience and using it to simply disrespect. Now you should probably stop cluttering up this thread any more than you already have with your useless bullshit and make room for other people to voice their opinion about the rules I brought up, which is the meaning of this topic. Zefram made it clear that he doesn't want to listen to me, but the majority of the people that have posted here agrees that the rules should be reinstated, but I'd like to get more opinions.
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22 April 2014 - 19:03 CEST
#33
So check list:

Wob - OK
Popcorn - OK
Kilo - NO

Kilo: We are waiting... commmmmon...
BlueEyedDragon
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22 April 2014 - 19:22 CEST
#34
Kilo has taken a break from NS2.... Sad I know, my evil bro has left me here!
Guess it's all up to me now then -_-

Swalk said that "The highest priority of the admins should to have all the games played, regardless of deadlines(with one exception, the deadline of the beginning of the playoffs)." Now to me that makes a lot more sense that the current 10 days option then the favourite team being given a 4-0 win.

Also

"(ii) Teams will play one (1) round of marine and alien side on each map. You switch races every round, even if you go to a new map. The team first mentioned on the match page “Team 1 vs Team 2” on the NSL site will start on marines."

This is how it should be!
Il tell you a little story...

We got Herakles to merc for us for a pcw befor our season 3 semi finals match. We asked him for some tips... He gave us one! only one.... and that was choose to play aliens first, and guess what? it won us the game!





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22 April 2014 - 21:52 CEST
#35
wob, my greatest problem with you is i keep thinking youre Kilo and completely disregard your posts when you're clearly a much brighter fellow than i thought. What a weird world.
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23 April 2014 - 07:24 CEST
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@BED LOL @ dat pic
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