Hi i wanted to explain how my 5 day ban happend!
We started the gather and after the first round my first pick left (BauerJankins) some of you will remember him as completly %&$"§$% double faced §$%%&$ which obviously has nothing als than S%"§§$ in his head
BauerJankins left the gather after 1 round like in a panic attack and after flaming me as as " retarded troll " because i went alien commander then he got a merc that i didnt accepted ( schu, lerk) so i said this gather is over do regather some min later loMe banned me for 5 days (after he watched for weeks how other ppl do not appear to gathers how ppl delay gathers etc without ban)
So i dont want to flame anyone i just say that my opinion is that loMe is a negligent incompetent corrupt nepotism virtuous egomaniacal admin that Set up rediclous rules for some players and Free-cards for other players (including hisself) on this way only players that he or his a%& lick b%$tch dont like will collect Bans and longer bans but his friends or himself will never get more than a 24houers ban if they even get that...
And BauerJankins which is a Gather Half-admin (moderator) btw famous for reseting full gathers so his friends can join the gather instead of other player that was quicker in (happend 2 weeks ago at saturday or sunday, please check gather history and ask all the players!
Also about mst afk and syknik afk and lome was simultanious in the gather chat and asked whats going on so he knew that Syknik and mst was not play gather even though if he was 3x afk in 3 days and not show up for the gather(Still no ban)
JUST to make sure you guys dont understand me wrong i dont say Ban mst or syknik but i say Why do you autocratic Ban ppl like random or on purpose?
why ban ppl after this rediclous bad new gather Rules and longer the Bans
i personally dont care when mst or syknik are not here 2-3 times without ban BUT WHY DO YOU BAN OTHERS FOR LESS REASON WTF (also i only name this 2 players since it was at the same day and the days before my ban)
Never in the god damn history we had so bad and selfish admins in the Gather and such rediclous Rules
all old Gather admins are shocked about how the new ones are handling the stuff....
Yes mister che%&r homepage admin, u speak up here right...
maybe just record yourself in some game and discuss that (prediction bro)
For others to understand why it was discussed before to ban me: After some minute of the first Gather round last week i was tell D3 base (he was in spec) to merc for me in the 2nd round because i have to leave after the first round but D3 base was not play i dont know if he was afk or went offline so they didnt had a merc right away (since i had to leave i was not controle if D3 really plays i was just expect him to play since he was in the next gather and in spectate so he doesnt desurf a ban anyway)
1 your so called "proof" dates the 21.12 and not the the addition 22.12 23.12 (it may diffrent dates) when he was not here and when u asked in gather chat what was going on, same about syknik
2 RQ a gather means That i ask during the first round for a merc to play in 2nd round? is that true?
3 i did not regather after that and i didnt try to play another gather
4 its not your fuking decision if im as gather captain dont accept some lerk player to replace my fade and also the only one that desurfed a ban in that situation is Bauer
5 That now brings us that you are pathetic like when syknik not showed up for the first gather the we regatherd he joined was voted to be captain and then he left after he did 2 picks and X minute more delay, You was in gather chat but i knew already you would say "but what can we do when its not reported" you close youre eyes when u dont want to see it right?
i want the gather history files from chris ( gather chat log + times + gather names) and we gonna see who is so much unguilty (unfortenly we have no 24/7 teamspeak recording) because im pretty sure you hear quite often about some stuff
AND BTW, all this is just a piece a tiny piece of how your and bauers decisions and behavier is in general and i believe many ppl could confirm that anyway...
1) i have no idea what you talk about
2) Ragequit means ALT-F4 and not asking 10minute before one leaves if another one can merc after that
3) i didnt tried to regather i checked 5 seconds for Ban brOh (elo:()
4) i dont give a shit what schu plays its not your decision who will play in my team, just regather and its fine there was no god damn chance to play without my first pick
5) i can properly explain what happend? you Cant be Honest to yourself and others about what happend
And you wannabe will not turn this like i want others to be banned or "throwing under the bus" this is an example how you are working as admin and its called licentious i said nobody of them has desurfed a ban probl. so what do i say loMe ? what does it mean? can you guess ?
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You should move this thread to Ban Appeals.
“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.”
But this topic is more than just Ban Appeals. its much More
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I think "reporting" players for "breaking rules" should all be above board in the "Ban appeals" forum.
This allows players to defend themselves on each count instead of things accumulating.
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Well even though Izo's original statement is obviously carried by alot of anger (Shut uuuuuuuuuup!),
he´s definitely right about the retarded administration of bans. Not only right now, but it has always been.
Some players get banned for being caught cheating, others are allowed to play in the season while streaming, some players leave 2 gathers a week, because they "suddenly" feel the need to play cs:go instead, and get away with it, etc etc.
While on some days i played 6 gathers and in 5 of them 1-3 people didnt show up, we found mercs and lateron the noshows would tell us "sorry i forgot i´m queued". No worries mate.
A week later i forget i´m queued, come back to my pc and i´m banned. It´s obviously not only the admins fault, for not always being neutral, but also the community, which can sometimes be very forgiving and sometimes blackmails you for the first time in months that you actually make a mistake by staying in the queue.
Overall, from now on, i´ll report any- and everybody that misses a gather, ragequits or somehow misbehaves. I´m excited to see how many bans will come of that... retardeeeeeeeeeeeeed.
Oh and btw, dont give me that bullshit about admins not knowing about misbehaviour / unreported breaking of rules. I´ve had several occasions myself where admins were informed, mostly because they were in the gather, yet didnt do shit about SOME people breaking the rules.
I dont even know why i´m typing this, since i couldnt give any less fuck anymore anyways.
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Honestly, I can understand why people want equal treatment for everyone, but the fact is that this is impossible without having an admin regulate gathers 24/7, which is obviously not possible.
Otherwise, I think going on a case by case basis is completely appropriate, the amount of people who gather is very small, if you were to automatically ban people without looking if they found a merc/if they were late, what their intentions were, etc. then there wouldn't be that many people left to gather.
Tbh the fact that people who I've NEVER seen gather suggest automatic bans also shows that they don't know the reality of gathers, we need as much people as we can get, and banning people left and right won't help. I'll take playing more gathers at the cost of the occasional afker signed up for one any day (yes it's annoying as fuck when it happens, but were all human and make occasional mistakes).
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And this is why a lot of players REFUSE to play gathers any more, is it just me, or do you always see the same 20-25 players playing the gather? It can become very toxic very quickly - Last time I played in a gather all that happened was Trolling. Trolling and reporting. Reporting and trolling, this is not me saying anyone that plays in the gather are bad, just when you all play at the same time, you all turn into Whiney little bitches.
If you don’t like the rules and/or break them and get caught, then you only have yourself to blame for it, You don’t break the law? do you? if you do, you do say in court, OH YEA MR JUDGE BUT THEY DO THIS ALSO!"!!"£! WAAAAAHHHH
Grow up,
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The reason a lot of people (myself included) avoid playing gathers is because its a small group of people that only a small minority actually follow the rules and when people do break the rules it rarely results in appropriate action.
The whole point of a ruleset is that they should be followed, if you break the rules, you should be punished... admins should take their roles seriously in the sense that, yes, you want to play a game and have fun, but it is your responsibility to take further action if you see or hear of people breaking the rules... by the sound of the forums and the multiple streams I watch regularly, this doesn't happen... if it did happen, it wouldn't be complained about so often.
you get gathers under control by punishing... "but we won't have any gathers to play"... that may be true... for a week maybe?... and then people will learn that if they break the rules, they will be punished... then gathers will happen far more often, people won't "accidentally" leave themselves logged in, people will ragequit less often, people will find mercs for THEMSELVES more often unless there is something major going on etc... it will become a well monitored system that more people enjoy and as such will lead to more gathers.
There are of course situations where people can be relieved of their punishments, but that is the purpose of the ban appeals...
"I got a 5 day ban for leaving mid-gather without finding a merc... but My partner was hit by a car and I had to leave right away" of course this person should be relieved of their punishment.
"I got a 5 day ban for leaving mid-gather without finding a merc... but people were taking 11 minutes instead of 10 minutes to get on teamspeak, and when X had computer issues it dragged out longer so I quit"... no, you signed up, it wasn't an emergency, you quit, you broke the rules, I don't care who you are, you're out of gathers for 5 days.
This isn't rocket science... gathers should be a well oiled machine that works well and is enjoyable for everyone.... at the moment its a rusty bucket with holes in it that is enjoyable for a few and frustrating for most.
"Out with the gorge, into the ready room" F4 - iSay
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I don't think anyone is disputing that bans are always wrong. I think people are just fed up with the inconsistency and poor communication between everyone in the community.
1. The complainer
2. The person being complained against
3. The admins
There needs to be a formalised system on how to implement bans, and I think it should be on the forum.
1. Open thread to request ban with reasons.
2. Allow person to defend themselves.
3. Admins make a decision.
Doing everything behind PMs is dumb because it's unfair and doesn't help expose admin bias (if there are any).
I kind of think that admins should be there to enforce punishment, not to determine if someone is guilty or not. I think the community is small enough that we should be looking after each other and be held accountable by each other. Allowing PMs to admins to make bans lends itself to private bias instead of community based decisions which is what we need particularly in community based problems.
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Regarding the izo ban, We explained it to him several times and it wasn't just a "you did this? okay 5 day ban" it was because he did it several times that week.
Another note, please stop talking about shit that went wrong with the admin team, when it wasn't even this team active at the time. Each team is different from the other in many aspects.
And now for the part where i ask how you expect us to punish people for things we didn't know they did. How do you guys expect us to have a gather admin / mod in EVERY gather to report EVERYTHING that happens. its also your responsibility as player to report things that go wrong. If someone doesn't get punished for something, report them when they do it so we can deal with it instead of going "So 'x1' got banned but nothing happened to 'x2' when he did the same?" you can't blame us for not dealing with rule breakers we have no idea about.
Anyways, Sephy has been working on a new system for all the gathers. It will be done 'soon'.
And if you have any problems with any of the admins, just mail me or message me on steam. That is why I am head admin, i deal with the problems people have with the admin team.
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I have 2 ideas that could potentially help with this issue.
1. Appoint "honorary gather admins", people that play gathers a LOT, their roles are to simply make notes and feedback to the team that X person signed up for a gather while still active, or Y person was trolling, or Z person didn't show up and a merc needed to be found because (s)he didn't find one. etc.
2. Taking from what wob said above, make a gather forum thread intended for reporting people for breaking rules... each thread is for each incident and is intended so that someone can say "X just did this in the gather" and provide evidence (other people agreeing, video footage where possible etc) and X can tell his/her side of the story in defence... this would make each situation a OPEN case by case discussion where people can see what is said, by who and what the outcome is... hell, if this were a thing, the ban appeals section likely wouldn't even be needed.
I'm not sure either would "fix" the problem, but i'm damn sure it would help. maybe implementing both would help even more, maybe it would end up a clusterfuck, I don't know...
"Out with the gorge, into the ready room" F4 - iSay
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Sad that the regulars in gathers need some kind of police to monitor them. It's like players will follow rules only if there's an admin around 24/7 to ensure rules are not broken. Admins will always be needed since there are people who can't just behave properly but still. You can't, as individual, make sure the gather atmosphere is pleasant? You really need someone to do it for you?
First time in 2 years I see so many problems occurring in gathers successively. Seems like if players can transgress rules, they'll do it. And then complain about it. Funny fact is when gathers used to get a single gather admin, and who wasn't even as active as the current ones, no one or only a few bitched about it.
I'm sure there is a couple of people who must enjoy going through all those threads.
“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.”
The majority of gathers go by without any issues, admin present or not.
The majority of players follow the rules.
Lets not make a mountain out of a mole hill here.
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Everyone here loves the drama and we all know it!!!
(going a little of topic like the rest...) Honestly, I think there aren't many problems in gathers right now. Or at least no more problems than before. There's only more drama than before, because gathers are being monitored. People get banned for breaking rules - but only for things like LEAVING the gather after the first round (without getting a merc) or excessive trolling. Personally I agree that bans are partially being handled a bit unfair, but that's just my opinion.
On the topic of gather atmosphere I think it has improved lately, I haven't seen any "toxic" behaviour that hasn't been taken care of. Some people just have to accept that the community is small, people know each other and joke around together A LOT - that includes insulting jokes which people that are not so familiar with the gather community might not understand. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think gathers are #nomoretoxic!!
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