There's a fine line between criticism and talking to him in a downright condescending and rude manner. Obraxis isn't even a programmer on the PDT nor is he the lead. He is, however, a long time developer of NS2 and deserves at least a degree of respect. This kind of conversation contributes to nothing other than 'getting it out of your system'.

Gooch says

There's a fine line between criticism and talking to him in a downright condescending and rude manner. Obraxis isn't even a programmer on the PDT nor is he the lead. He is, however, a long time developer of NS2 and deserves at least a degree of respect. This kind of conversation contributes to nothing other than 'getting it out of your system'.

Not talking about Obraxis here, but I don't know if UWE deserves any respect considering the way they treat long-standing members of the community who also happen to be big contributors to the game.

But it's ok, because they will brush it all off saying that they're "hard to work with". That way they can keep all that free labour without remorse and people will still praise how much they care about the community.

It's a brilliant scam.

Hellrunner Basterds servers use a balance mod sitting between compmod and vanilla
It could be worth looking into as a replacement.

I hate to criticise Dragon here as he has put so much work into these mods, but the truth is, I think this is kind of childish approach to the problem. You could protest in some form, turn it off for a few days, ask the competitive community to sign a petition to UWE or something, but instead this is a rage quit, that really doesn't hurt UWE that much and does hurt the competitive community.

At least imo you could have licesnsed and left you work up on github to allow someone else, but you want to see it all burn :/

paddy says

I hate to criticise Dragon here as he has put so much work into these mods, but the truth is, I think this is kind of childish approach to the problem. You could protest in some form, turn it off for a few days, ask the competitive community to sign a petition to UWE or something, but instead this is a rage quit, that really doesn't hurt UWE that much and does hurt the competitive community.

At least imo you could have licesnsed and left you work up on github to allow someone else, but you want to see it all burn :/

But I thought the problem was that he could not resolve things without sufficient communication with UWE? Hence, he's basically saying, "I hate having to spend my whole life trying to figure out what you guys have done that has f'd my mod up and also, how sporadic this is such that it becomes difficult to update the mod in a timely manner. You guys even make it quite difficult to get the feedback I need in order to fix things, so I am not wasting more of my time". That is my quickly hashed together interpretation anyway.

Also, if the comp community is pretty much put on hold then I'm quite sure the outlash against UWE might occur. This is sort of analogous to a real-life protest. If the government froze the wages of nurses for 30 years and the nurses reacted by protesting, then it would be quite foolish to say, "this doesn't hurt the government so much as it hurts the people!". If you hurt the people enough you can often indirectly cause the government to do something that, in the longterm, is better for the people.

Because, what if, UWE doesn't do jack shit and continues on their current course (which history would suggest is the likely outcome, since this exact issue was raised when the rapid updates shceme was first announced), then in order to have a CompMod someone will have to continually work around their frequent breaking changes

paddy says

Because, what if, UWE doesn't do jack shit and continues on their current course (which history would suggest is the likely outcome, since this exact issue was raised when the rapid updates shceme was first announced), then in order to have a CompMod someone will have to continually work around their frequent breaking changes

Comp scene dies.
Pull factor for a fair few people dies.
Population takes a hit.
Other people look at population and get worried.
Fewer people buy game.
NS2 fizzles out.

UWE reputation takes a hit.

You are absolutely right I think, but this is more like the nurses locking up the hospital and saying we are done, and if anybody else wants to do it you'll have to build your own hospital first.
Because, what if, UWE doesn't do jack shit and continues on their current course (which history would suggest is the likely outcome, since this exact issue was raised when the rapid updates shceme was first announced), then in order to have a CompMod someone will have to continually work around their frequent breaking changes

Wob says

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Comp scene dies.
Pull factor for a fair few people dies.
Population takes a hit.
Other people look at population and get worried.
Fewer people buy game.
NS2 fizzles out.

UWE reputation takes a hit.

Is this a desired outcome? Yeah great, maybe UWE will learn their lesson, but we have no game anymore?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6vqPUM_FE

I wasn't going to reply, but my original post was more whiny than I wanted and didnt make everything as clear as I had hoped. Another part of the issue is how 'UWE' still continues the us versus them argument. There are not many people actively post and discussing issues from the comp scene, and the few that do are almost all labeled as trolls or 'elitists'. This isn't anything new, but with the dwindling numbers its getting worse and worse. UWE will now try to act like they do nothing wrong, but this has and always will continue behind the scenes. Its those kinds of comments last night that made me realize how retarded I have been to support this as long as I have. Ive been called and elitist asshole and the reason why NS2 sucks multiple times on OFFICIAL UWE chat programs like discord and slack, and they dont do shit about it. But if I responded overly harsh, i get in trouble... This attitude hasn't changed, they still regard the comp scene negatively and think only a few disagree with what changes they make. IF no one points out the problems with things on the forums, they will keep making changes with no regard.

Ns2 is run on a fucked up engine.

They are trying to fix it.
They dont really know what they are doing but they are working on it...

World of warcraft, with a massive team, had this problems with Addons, they kept breaking addons every fucking patch...

So, the thing is, i dont believe we can even expect that UWE will keep the Mods working becouse they cant even keep the game working...
Im not trying to defend them, but... come on...

They are trying to fix it.