nice review fagmma

moar disruptive comments doogie!

whats the difference between top fade, and good fade? (fragwhore, teamplayer?), killing all marines is good for the gayliens

I wasnt even mentioned once... I hate you zamma!

fail bb

"However I don't agree with zaiko about the nL comeback comment. The Sproggalots dominated nL in the first official 4-0 (the only ever 4-0 win over nL?)

 

Considering it took us two months to return to the top -- from not having played for over a year, with a roster lacking most of our big names, I'd say zaiko was right on the ball.

 

"and in every pcw up till 3 days before the finals."

 

Not true. In fact we were drawing and beating you in PCWs after just a couple of weeks of playing. We did hit a big road bump later on however -- it started with the snowrollers match -- when we played terrible until Peach joined up.

 

That's not to say that you weren't any good -- you were, but the quality of play in general had definitely decreased by that time. Mostly from lack of competition, I'm guessing.

you ns latecomers dont know shit about shit!

ktdm was the fastest improving clan!! hah i win.

and I've gotta say in the sprogga/nL finals, even though I can only speak for myself, I was only playing at like 75% as good as my top play has ever been and you guys were pissing and moaning about aimbots

Actually, there was one "joke" comment on vent about an aimbot. :p

Fana's correct, I did take zaikos comment slightly wrong. Win or loss nL did come back to play top level again, and that's the main point. He's also right that I exaggerated the "3-day" point. However, we actually never lost a pcw to you (yes we did draw) until around 2-3 days before the finals, where we played two maps and lost. Sorry to see mu got so offended though by the whole statement though.

p.s. mu - I said "I think we were the fastest team to improve in the history of NS", I never said we were. I wasn't around when ktdm was, but from what I've heard it was actually just a mix team of really good players with no teamwork?

"However, we actually never lost a pcw to you (yes we did draw) until around 2-3 days before the finals, where we played two maps and lost."

 

Your rounds won/lost ratio against us was heavily biased to the won side, but it isn't true that we only started winning PCWs three days before the final. We had a very bad period of about a month where we got stomped by you/flatline/saunamen almost every PCW, but before that we did win several PCWs -- and yes, I do count PCWs where you ragequit after one map -- against you.

 

"from what I've heard it was actually just a mix team of really good players with no teamwork?"

 

You should've stopped at "I wasn't around when ktdm was".

 

KTDM revolutionised teamplay at the time, to the point where even many later top teams don't compare. Unfortunately we suffered from a lack of competition for a long time and, with the exception of BM, torment.fi and american teams, we were never really tested before falling apart from too-big-roster-strain.

I don't know if I agree with mu that KTDM was the fastest improving clan though, unless you count replacing 80% of your roster with top players from other clans. Lessthanthree would be my pick for that award.

lessthanthree or original knife probably looking back

"from what I've heard it was actually just a mix team of really good players with no teamwork?"

Not at all Fana. I'm going to relay what people generally have said over the years?

I actually didn't notice the question mark at the end of your sentence until now, sorry about that.

 

Generally speaking, "people" aren't the best source of accurate information. KTDM attracted a lot of ill-will from the NS bourgeoisie at the time, to the point where they'd happily spread lies and misinformation both during and after the KTDM "era". A lot of that has propagated over the years.

Also stop spreading lies about the quality of my Lerking. That's just rude!

Every player is going to say that his team was fastest improving team in history of ns! Levitacus for example evolved from low-level clan to high-level clan in just three months. To be honest four of our players already were high-level players(and Kiviheikki was rather inactive) but still.

yes but levitacus were never that good. lessthanthree original knife were. + ive never been in either of those 2 teams!:O

Knife sure was but lessthanthree? Our pcw results were really even and we weren't even reached our full potential back then. I would even dare to say that we won most of our pcw against them but then again this is highly personal opinion. Only official we played against them ended 1-3 for them when we hadn't played single pcw in that week and map we lost 2-0 was nancy... Sure they were better team that day but saying that they were better than us as whole is totally outrageous.

ye <3 werent that great i guess. but they did pioneer early lerk+MC. before them people went like 2fade/dc/hive/2rt every game or something

For the record, Sprogga only played in that season because we thought it would be fun to bonk nL. The novelty of bonking nL wore off and and we went inactive again albeit with the intention of playing a few games before the final. The final was moved forward a week due to folding teams and we agreed to play anyway despite having not played for weeks because we're not Finnish. Then we got counter-bonked in what has to have been one of our worst performances ever. Our attitude was so lackadaisical that even after the loss, there wasn't any verbal frustration. People just said "see ya tomorrow".

It's worth noting that it was our first 4-0 loss to nL and our third loss ever to nineLegends, the others of which were well into our inactivity period and where I only managed to motivate my team to get six because it was nL we were playing. Our rounds won ratio wasn't just "biased in our favour" - it was a massacre right up untill the week before the final where you managed to award yourselves a saving grace.

As a sidenote, we categorically did not ragequit any PCW against you. If you're counting a 1-1 draw on a map as win in your favour because we didn't play a second map, then I don't quite know what to say.

I won't ever say you didn't deserve the win, you did. The only reason i've piped up now in our defence (I thought it was pretty pathetic to list inactivity as a reason for losing) is because I got bored of reading everyone else's misinformed comments. I recognise that you hold bragging rights as you won the match that actually counted but I don't recognise your general superiority over Sprogga at all.

I might also ruffle a few feathers by saying that nL were dire untill Peach joined, notably exempt from your "we haven't played in a year malarky". Peach was and is an absolute carrycomm and i'm not ashamed to say that he was miles better than me or any other commander in NS at the time. It doesn't take long to get back into the swing of things anyway, especially as you managed to play quadruple the matches anyone else could with the whole community wanting a piece of the nL pie.

We can get as pissy as we want but at the end of the day, you won the finals and can rightly afford yourselves the title of the comeback kings regardless of the somewhat insubstantial route you took to get there.

;)

"it was a massacre"

Most of the PCWs ended in a 2-2 or 3-1 to you. Hardly a massacre.

 

"As a sidenote, we categorically did not ragequit any PCW against you."

I can't say if they were actual rage quits or not, but I distinctly remember two PCWs ending 2-0 because you left after we won the first map.

 

"I thought it was pretty pathetic to list inactivity as a reason for losing"

We were more or less inactive for about two weeks before the final too, due to internal drama, so it isn't even a "reason".

Fact is, we beat you with a random roster of whoever-wants-to-play with only two months of practice, without our best player even playing in the actual match. No amount of lame excuses you can come up with trumps that. With proper competition over a longer timespan you could've been very good, but as it was, you didn't come close to matching our title contenders in the past.

 

"It doesn't take long to get back into the swing of things anyway"

Last time I quit for half a year, it took me 3/4 of a year of intense playing to get back to the same form. Getting back to a decent level only takes a few weeks, getting back to your peak level takes months and months of grinding.

 

"especially as you managed to play quadruple the matches"

We played maybe 3-4 PCWs a week, we weren't very active.

lol drama

 

"Then, the day is today, the moment is now and the DRAMA starts: Sir GIBBONS interview." ... Indeed

Bear in mind though, I'm not in any way saying we were the best team skill wise throughout the season. We were in fact, pretty bad. It took an extraordinary combination of luck and skill (90% luck) to even get to the final. Had the season progressed perfectly, with no teams folding, we would've likely ended up fourth in the group, with Saunamen taking the title.

 

The point is: When we started playing again, we were determined to prove that the level of play had gone down since we quit. Not up, as you so determinedly claimed. We would've convincingly proved that even had we lost the final. Winning it 4-0 was more akin to beating the proverbial dead horse -- not to mention very satisfying.

 

(solid predictions by MAAAD, indeed)

As I said, I think the general skill level of aliens has gone up but the skill level of marines down. Then again it depends if you count gamesense, tactics and teamwork in skill. (my views at that point in time - well maybe even a season before)

My impression was that alien was also weaker. It's indicative that the first few weeks we played, we only won Marine rounds.

Sure, there were still some good Lerks and a few new Skulk techniques that spiced things up, but over all the level of play had gone down. Some new tactics too, but nothing groundbreaking. Mostly just slight changes to old tactics. The level of play from Fades was especially dire, and Skulk teamplay pretty much amounted to "RUSH TOGETHER NOW".

Well, maybe for that season anyway, as in my eyes the main alien-stronger teams, flatline and sprogga, weren't that active. But before then, you had Hivefish's fade, which despite what people say, in my eyes was the best fade in NS, mixing great movement with good positioning and brains; green, alty, and phils skulks which added not just a couple of new moves but completely changed skulk movement with some lovely mix-ups; sheep, phil and nades lerk, with phil and sheep being a bit more skill (and in sheeps style, orientation) specific and nade with some great gamesense and teamplay. I don't think you saw much of that through your season of play though. Maybe only through pcws beforehand. But I definately (and sherpa the seasons before) noticed an increase in skill in alien play. Before then it was more in my eyes about being smart.

p.s. wltrs also revolutionised skulking

Look its quite clear to anyone that the following string of clans was the best around at its respective time of "Being around"

Sixpack, [NS.NL], Tronic.ns, DW, KTDM, <3(Crono's), Knife(2), mVn, team Catbus, Static, Team.Love, Knife(3) and ofc the legendary zanith

Iteresting sidenote might be that me being in these clans happens to have coincided with them being "THE TOP CLAN" in their respected time.

 

Yeah fair enough, I can only comment on the season I played. It does seem like you're making an awful lot of excuses though.

Also just as the British decision to distribute lime amongst their sailors, revolutionized the health situation at sea. I personally invented the "Medspam" revolutionizing spacemarine survivability.  

i revolutionized boosting through the long vent at marine start on ns_lost to get into temp control!!

before i came along you were all sitting in the vent confused as what to do next. but then i said: "why not go into temp control?" and thus, the vent crawl rush was born

I remember when we tried that in a match. Mop, I think it was, got spotted and nearly parasited to death before he managed to finally squeeze out at temp. It wasn't really a surprise anymore at that point.

Also on top of my medspam invention i invented a little alien move i like to call "Run straight for their legs" its now days copied rampantly by public players and has thus become so common that most players have developed and effective counter to this move

excuses? I haven't made a single one :S.

"maybe for that season anyway", "weren't that active", "despite what people say", "don't think you saw much of that".

 

Elaborate on your wltrs comment, btw.

Those aren't what I call excuses. More hard-core facts. Actually, the only point I can truely see there as an excuse is "weren't that active", and even then it's a tad vague.

Well wltrs transitioned through every version of NS and in each version adapted and even invented his own style. In sprogga while not the best player (probably due to effort), he was definately the most consistent and as a skulk would pull out moves even alty and green would admire. I think it was a mixture of a very low sense and the zwndr, but wltrs literally had an unhittable strafe and managed to mix it with the more old-skool intelligence. Great attack timing, great movement and good bite aim just meant he was a mosnter.

While we are claiming to have exclusively invented something, I would like the credit for inventing the following in cooperation with mu.

One day mu and I ware on a server somewhere and mu said “Hey evilness you monster comm., how about a shotgun” to which I replied “OK! mu you best player ever in the history of NS, BUT wait before I give you this BOOMSTICK(there I introduced it its mine) how about instead of what everyone has been doing, I instruct a random player to sneak close to the enemy hive in an area of the map travelled by aliens but not quite frequently enough for the aliens to discover said random player”. To which mu replied “ah evilness my good man I see where your going with this, we can tell him to construct a phasegate there, I will do the same in our base with the shotgun you have supplied me.” He then followed up with the following wise exception “If the random player was to fail in his construction efforts I shall proceed from our base on foot straight towards the enemy hive with my shotgun, instead of taking the long way around and stopping in different locations like everyone has been doing until now”. And thus mu and I invented the as we called it back then “The shotgun kerfuffle” and “Slightly delayed shotgun kerfuffle” the name unfortunately was lost over time and got bastardised into “Shotgun rush” and the “Walking shotgun rush”. After this great invention mu and I retired in the drawing room to revel in the glory of our invention with brandy and sigars.

Gibbz, where is my shout out you prick!

you suck evilness.

"doogie wrote:you suck evilness."  I’m sorry your opinion has been invalidated by you being Mexican.

:D

you just can't appreciate a fine swig of brandy and a cigar. in the drawing room. while darling daughter plays piano and studies.

*not a gay couple

mu <3 evilness

 

so happy together!

No I'm sorry doogie this was back when there ware no gay people, the good old days in 18th century British empire. After this highly succesful scientific gettogether i went home in my Montgolfier.

guys .. i didnt read all of your shit buut i have to state

you are the nibz

especially fana and gibbz.

"That's not to say that you weren't any good -- you were, but the quality of play in general had definitely decreased by that time. Mostly from lack of competition, I'm guessing"

"p.s. mu - I said "I think we were the fastest team to improve in the history of NS", I never said we were. I wasn't around when ktdm was, but from what I've heard it was actually just a mix team of really good players with no teamwork?"

"I thought it was pretty pathetic to list inactivity as a reason for losing"

jeez.. you all suck man :D

Hello mr.idontdoshitwithoutmytanking 

NatuRe ftw!

i had to google montgolfier

mu wrote:
i had to google montgolfier

Your response

 

 just so you know, theyre those things in sonic2 that shoot you real far on the oil rig level

zamma promised drama, and he delivered ;D

"Most of the PCWs ended in a 2-2 or 3-1 to you. Hardly a massacre."

Wrong! 4-0's all the wayyy

"I can't say if they were actual rage quits or not, but I distinctly remember two PCWs ending 2-0 because you left after we won the first map."

I distinctly remember not doing this

"We played maybe 3-4 PCWs a week, we weren't very active."

We played 3/4-1 PCW a week and a grand total of zero in the week running up to the final.

Anyway, it took alot of effort to write any retort in the first place so I concede any further comments you might make. I agree with most of what you say anyway.

Ok, ok it's been fun you've all had your little say about your petty little clan's and how none had ever touched NS before you played in the final and how zamma's team invented how to play NS. But i think we can all agree that there simply will never be a team as good as Team Catbus it was the pincale of NS the best players the stiffest competition and simply the best victory record ever(over 1000 challenges and all won 4-0).

I always deliver marko.

CATBUS PREVAILS.

 

(this was our motto and had to said both as a greeting and a goodbye upon entering or leaving ventrilo)

EDIT:

Actualy screw it, Catbus has built more then enough of a solid replutation, i dont have to prove it with stats. Catbus is, was and will always be THE BEST, THE END

Catbus declares this discussion closed, there shall be no more undermining behavior towards the legacy, the legend that is Team Catbus

CATBUS PREVAILS

"We played maybe 3-4 PCWs a week, we weren't very active."

I for instance didnt play ns actively in well over a month and had been drinking two nights straight before the finals.

I agree, thats why you got rolled the first map, orbital.

On veil i had the feeling most of you had warmed up enough, and the match was really really close.

Either way, gg.

wow, gaybbz is a star now?!...AJHAHAH

FNZ U DA FUCKING NIBZ

French humor is the very best! D:

Probably true about KTDM, it really was shitty clan at first and improved to top at no time. Most of the top clans were good from beginning (like knife etc).

Althought KTDM had pretty good players from the start....

And by top I mean the best european, torment.fi wasnt nearly as good.. :)

btw. Most of the new wave clans (like levitacus lessthanthreee etc) dont even compare to the likes of the original torment, who had even morning rehearsal.

To play a game from the morning to the dawn against an american clans?? :D

HOW BORING... better interview me, i am the most interresting person in NS

SaperioN wrote:
HOW BORING... better interview me, i am the most interresting person in NS

Nonsense i'm the most interesting person in NS for instance i may or may not sometimes play NS NAKED, but people will never know because i've not been interviewed !

it is time now to release your next interesting interview as promised

Kind of difficult to do that when you're banned.

What playing naked? ;DDDDDDDD

i am not banned yet ;) but poor mááád, some1 else do then