(continued topic)...due to inability to argue logically like an adult.

*These statements do not reflect on calamity Gaming at all, they belong to myself and myself alone*

This bit of text was censored/suppressed from feathermonster's stream during a div1 match:

The elitists of this community sure love to abuse power and oppress the people who actually care about the game/community; so childish. go have fun with overwatch zefram, i'll still be playing ns2. direct quote from zefram: i can't wait for ns2 to die and get some of my life back. As broadcasted on rantology's stream on titus mumble.

Zefram and Decoy proceeded to ban me from chat multiple times because they can't disprove any claims I had made in the stream, they simply oppress and censor it. The rest of the elitists in chat decided to use this time to shit talk me making false claims and statements:

http://i.imgur.com/dgXUj1C.png

Never once have I asked Zefram to cast. This shows how arrogant and childish he is in talking shit about me when I have no recourse or ability to debate his fallacious statements (as I was chat banned). See the last 2 posts he made again in full arrogance mode and stating that I do not have a right to my opinions about the way the games were going, which is incredibly stupid to anyone who understands the concept of twitch (it also proves his bias against me). Further was his arrogance stated earlier (all of my text deleted of course) when I had told him and others they have the right to ignore my chat and can even go in fullscreen. What is the point of watching a twitch chat during a game if not to read other people's opinions and reply your own, sometimes even having a lively debate?

We must all remember that Zefram is a PREMIERE PLAYER who EARNED HIS WAY onto Titus and clearly is the greatest premiere player of all time. His false humility stating that he is 'an average player' whilst also proudly boasting that Titus is his team and he's on a premiere team is horribly ironic at best and understandably a contradiction.

Just thought the community who actually care should see the mentality of the people who run the competitive scene/CDT/ etc. This is also not a quitting thread, as I care about playing this game and playing with my team. This is simply being annoyed at the arrogance and elitism of the top players in the community who never have anything positive to say and shit talk about everyone at a lower skill level than them, especially newbies which leads to new players leaving the game.

(continued post due to message limit cutoff)

Love u NS2 players who care.

P.S. the same elitists continued to show their bias and childish attitude by falsely claiming that I was making twitch account alts to get around chat bans.

This shit is great. quality a++

Don't believe anything in this post. It's already been edited and manipulated by Zefram.

#oppressed

This is a really interesting topic. I can completely understand why you care so much.

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adhd says

This is a really interesting topic. I can completely understand why you care so much.

Adhd everybody. It's his first time here. Let's make him feel welcome.

Oh darn, I forgot to say "inb4 lots of childish posts that don't actually debate the topic but just talk shit" in the OP.

Puzzle, you're absolutely right about one thing. I was wrong about you requesting to cast. I confused you with another player with similar attitudes. For that, I am sorry.

For everything else... I'll reserve the right to comment later and leave this:

https://vine.co/v/O5BPKZ52jT7

Puzzle says

Oh darn, I forgot to say "inb4 lots of childish posts that don't actually debate the topic but just talk shit" in the OP.

is there a way to down vote?

To Zefram: I don't want to have problems with you or anyone else here, and yet you keep TRY to find reasons. Perhaps you are confusing me with lots of people in most of the times when you come out against me? I really don't know.

I'm actually surprised you took the time to read all of that and make an honest apology.

As for people asking lots of dumb things in the twitch chat while I am still permabanned from replying to their false statements, why not ask me directly anything you want to know instead of making ignorant statements and claims? Examples "What is Decoy's power"? Obviously people are lacking observation that Decoy, Zefram and others have twitch moderator power in many top streams thus allowing for the oppression as shown in OP. I seriously don't get where everyone talks shit about me wanting to voice my opinion then lets the FLOOD GATES go on talking shit after I'm perma'd and can't reply? It is hypocritical.

It's funny, Puzzle. You got so upset when Zefram was disagreeing with you in twitch chat about your game analysis. You started personally attacking him and calling him names, saying he has some vendetta against you. A lively debate is one thing, but when you start attacking people on a personal level, that's a whole new ball game.

You want to be able to post your opinions in twitch chat, but when other people post their opinions that disagree with you, they must hate you and be elitist. Couldn't be that your game analysis was wrong, it's definitely that you're the victim and everyone is just trying to hate on you and kill ns2.

You were timed out initially for verbally attacking other people in twitch chat. I warned you once, but you continued. Then when your timeout was over, you continued to try to stir shit up. I banned you for the remainder of the match so that everyone else could continue to watch and chat without your negativity and shit-stirring. You were unbanned after the match was over.

Does this remind anyone else of Fana's post for his 10 minute twitch ban? http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/133567/fanas-10-minute-twitch-ban

I did not attack anyone until I was attacked, but you know you guys deleted all my chat so it's your wrong word against mine. Not once did Zefram or anyone else state why I was wrong, simply "you're wrong so shut up and let us watch". The only times any actual factual information was given was given in a disrespectful and sarcastic manner.

I do not attack, I defend. This is the hallmark of any debate including myself that ends up in a battle. If you didn't have such bias against me from previous shit (way long ago in the past) then you might actually read anything I say instead of defending your friends blindly.

A wiser person than me is quoted as saying happiness is not achieved without knowing the pain of sadness. Contrast is important to humans as you can not truly understand without it. So I'm sorry if I only point out negatives because there is already 99.99% of humans who only point out positives in a desperate attempt to provide a facade to make their lives and the state of the world seem brighter than it exists in reality.

Are you trolling?

I didn't know I had a bias against you. TIL. Everyone who disagrees with you must have some terrible bias.

That is the most biased post I have ever seen.

Umm yea because I've tried to be nice to you on Steam and all you do is bring up past shit like wanting to watch matches or whatever else you found wrong with me. You're living in the past, that is called a bias.

You go into chat to do what? attack people? and then you get banned for attacking people? You state you went and started shit. and they wanted none of it so they banned you. sounds fair. go create your own league, own stream, own CDT. If justice is on your side and the people clearly side with you, you'll be successful.

But you won't. Because just like skyice before you, you're full of shit. His legions of supporters are imaginary, just like the 'community' that you think you represent.


as a side note, I always wondered why people hate learning from the ones who are clearly at the top. So they got an (imagined or not) attitude problem? they're still at the top... maybe they know how to play the game...

Warning, this message is trolling, skip it if you want to. Everybody knows I usually never troll, so let's do it now.

[troll]

Don't pay attention to this thread if you're European. All the slots have been reserved to our fellow NA players.



But seriously, I've always thought I was the kindest NSL admin.
"should see the mentality of the people who run the competitive scene" --> only if you ignore this troll message but it's not intented onto your thread personally, I just need it.

@Puzzle, did you have any issues with these people before or what? Have you been able to know who won this match then?
@Zefram, I think I know whom you were referring to and I totally agree with you, despite the irrelevance in here. I'm just waiting for the larger message you will post.
@Simba, how do you know this message has been modified already? I don't even dare to edit his message to add this [url] next to his link. :(
@Decoy, I'm sorry, I didn't find anything to say. :/
@Sardine, you want me to show you some others? There are a few interesting ones on these forums.

[/troll]

Okay, I leave now.

Is it 1861 again?

Man, fucking CDT oppressing people.

Quality thread

Just testing that my internet works

I don't think you realize that neither Zefram or Decoy lead/run the CDT in any way...

Too many fucks about the cdt

Puzzle says

(continued topic) zefram: i can't wait for ns2 to die and get some of my life back.

Yeah i can't wait for Zefram to die and get some of ns2 life back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7sLYNwevDQ[/quote]

I don't know much about this instance, but I feel your general vibe puzzle. The general attitude of most players changes quite a bit once they get into prem div. It's quite laughable considering the current prem div is the worst there ever was.

So what do we do about this?

We could start a kickstarter campaign to help all the sick people that are suffering from this terrible Prem Div Decease, a cure must be found.
These people have become unnessesarily arrogant and normal people are disgusted by their actions and statements.
CALL NOW ON "555-HELPTHESICK" TO DONATE a penny to the victims of PDD.

On another, a little more serious note, and probably more directed to Zefram. If there is any truth to the supposed quoted statement in OP, which it could seem like with the lack of news and updates from NSL. I'm sure someone who still have passion left for the game could take over in an instant and give you your life back. I did it, so why wouldn't you be able to? I know it's a massive task, it's no shame to quit. Just be sure to pick a successor with passion for the game and the time to do it, not just someone who won't really care. The focus of NSL should be to keep the scene alive for as long as possible imo. Not by extending the seasons, but by finishing seasons and tournaments in timely manners and having as many of them as possible. Weekly news updates with matches and casts help with that. I hear that teams are not playing their games and the season is getting way delayed, I'm pretty sure that's a result of the lacking updates. Last update was over a month ago, seems to me like the community is not really cared for anymore.

swalk says

I don't know much about this instance, but I feel your general vibe puzzle. The general attitude of most players changes quite a bit once they get into prem div. It's quite laughable considering the current prem div is the worst there ever was.

So what do we do about this?

We could start a kickstarter campaign to help all the sick people that are suffering from this terrible Prem Div Decease, a cure must be found.
These people have become unnessesarily arrogant and normal people are disgusted by their actions and statements.
CALL NOW ON "555-HELPTHESICK" TO DONATE a penny to the victims of PDD.

On another, a little more serious note, and probably more directed to Zefram. If there is any truth to the supposed quoted statement in OP, which it could seem like with the lack of news and updates from NSL. I'm sure someone who still have passion left for the game could take over in an instant and give you your life back. I did it, so why wouldn't you be able to? I know it's a massive task, it's no shame to quit. Just be sure to pick a successor with passion for the game, not just someone who won't really care. The focus of NSL should be to keep the scene alive for as long as possible imo. Not by extending the seasons, but by finishing seasons and tournaments in timely manners and having as many of them as possible. Weekly news updates with matches and casts help with that. I hear that teams are not playing their games and the season is getting way delayed, I'm pretty sure that's a result of the lacking updates. Last update was over a month ago, seems to me like the community is not really cared for anymore.

+1

Can't care for a community that doesn't care for itself.

swalk says

I don't know much about this instance, but I feel your general vibe puzzle. The general attitude of most players changes quite a bit once they get into prem div. It's quite laughable considering the current prem div is the worst there ever was. .

This here is the absolute truth. It's sad and funny at the same time. When they finally reach that "prem" level, it's all downhill from that moment forward. I could name dozens of players who turned into completely asses when some higher division team opened their doors for them.

Ironically the only tolerable group of prem div players were the snails, as much as I dislike French players in this community. Most of them were / are extremely helpful towards new players and helps people with bad aim etc, that's the kind of attitude I would hope from all the higher division players.