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schu

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This post is in regards to gathers.

Why oh why, when I join a gather some people just don't give a shit and play the gather the way the want to and totally ignore everything that is going on in the game? It feels like I'm playing a public game. This is no joke, and it's getting really annoying playing with some of you people.

When I join a competitive 6 vs 6 gather, I expect a competitive 6 v 6 gather. Not a fucking public game. If I wanted to pub, I'd join a god damn pub. I expect more out of many of you. You call yourselves competitive NS2 players and it's very embarrassing seeing the way people listen to others when calls are being made.

I tend to give up after 2-3 gathers because so many people just don't give a shit. All of you have heard me screaming during a gather. And to be honest, I've been holding back. If i could call someone out I would, but we saw what happened to senpai_robot when I did that. I hurt peoples feelings over the internet I guess.

I'm playing gathers to win. It's a competitive 6 v 6 environment, why wouldn't you want to as well?

The lack of communication during gathers is hilarious. It feels like 1-2 people talking and every body else is just silent and expects to be hand fed. You need to use your fucking microphone and talk to the team. I hate trying to read minds and know what the fuck I'm about to run into when I rotate into shit.

Blatantly ignoring calls. This is another one that seems to happen more than anything. Just from what I've noticed. A call will be made and everyone will ignore it except maybe 1-2 people. What the fuck? WHY?! I have seen gathers get destroyed because of this. Some of you people need to get a head on your shoulders and stop relying so hard on other players to pick of the slack for you.

If you need help understanding how to listen to a call or pressing a key down to talk on teamspeak, just as me and I'll walk you through it. I'll be over here if you need me.

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Zafod

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The quality of gathers has always been this low. You aren't going to solve anything by telling them to listen to calls. The general mindset of an average gather player is abysmal and it will stay that way because gathers aren't taken seriously.

After captaining several gathers, it becomes apparent that in general the majority doesn't play them to improve, but to play casually for their own entertainment. If I were wrong, then people would listen to calls and we'd see a drastic increase of higher level players over the year, wouldn't we?

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lebra

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yes lets rant about gathers instead of not play them for those reasons, people will definitely listen :kappa:

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Golden

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schu says

butthurt

Get your team together and scrim instead?

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schu

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Lambo says

yes lets rant about gathers instead of not play them for those reasons, people will definitely listen :kappa:

What did I just read? I know what you're trying to say, just came out weird.

All I'm trying to say is that people can play gathers in a competitive manner instead of acting like it's a pub. I join gathers expecting higher level of play than pubs, and it turns out to be slightly better than pubs, but not much more.

I guess all I'm asking is I just want people to try. Games are much more enjoyable when everyone on the team is trying to win and succeed. Regardless whether you win or lose, as long as there's effort it's way much more enjoyable than playing with a bunch of mutes who do their own thing.

And in response to golden: I don't see how scrimming has anything to do with the post at hand. But just to enlighten you. We are always looking for a scrim. Just have to message one of us. Don't wait for us to be the initiators in every scrim/pcw you want to get from us.

inb4 "because scrimming with your team has the teamwork you want schu, hur hur hur"

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Locklear

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i need you in my life schustor

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BauerJankins

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i agree with this.

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as a rookie public player transitioning to gathers, the amount of shit people are calling out is actually rather overwhelming (MAYBE THIS HAD TO DO WITH PLAYING WITH HERAKLES). there's a certain lingo that you use which i started to understand only after a gather or two: "that lerk is lit" "i chipped 2 skulks in west" "2 bites on marine next to pg" etc etc. there's acutally a lot of information being shared which i think you might take for granted. also im sure youre used to div1 teamwork which is probably way more strategic and focused.

also schu:
i think when we played with "Sin" that might have put a REAL bad taste in your mouth, it certainly did for me. i also remember playing another game with you where we had an especially unorganized group of players running around with their heads cut off. im sure these 2 gathers influenced this post, and i just wanted to say that a lot of my gather experiences have been really positive and even when i lose my games i felt like it wasnt a complete stomp, but one team got a slight edge on another which lead them to a VICTORY.

just try to keep this into perspective and dont get caught up on 2 bad gathers in a row.

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phonee says

as a rookie public player transitioning to gathers, the amount of shit people are calling out is actually rather overwhelming (MAYBE THIS HAD TO DO WITH PLAYING WITH HERAKLES). there's a certain lingo that you use which i started to understand only after a gather or two: "that lerk is lit" "i chipped 2 skulks in west" "2 bites on marine next to pg" etc etc. there's acutally a lot of information being shared which i think you might take for granted. also im sure youre used to div1 teamwork which is probably way more strategic and focused.

also schu:
i think when we played with "Sin" that might have put a REAL bad taste in your mouth, it certainly did for me. i also remember playing another game with you where we had an especially unorganized group of players running around with their heads cut off. im sure these 2 gathers influenced this post, and i just wanted to say that a lot of my gather experiences have been really positive and even when i lose my games i felt like it wasnt a complete stomp, but one team got a slight edge on another which lead them to a VICTORY.

just try to keep this into perspective and dont get caught up on 2 bad gathers in a row.

you are like 3 years too late to this game.

this game is dead AF.

You know this, Schu

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narf says

phonee says
as a rookie public player transitioning to gathers, the amount of shit people are calling out is actually rather overwhelming (MAYBE THIS HAD TO DO WITH PLAYING WITH HERAKLES). there's a certain lingo that you use which i started to understand only after a gather or two: "that lerk is lit" "i chipped 2 skulks in west" "2 bites on marine next to pg" etc etc. there's acutally a lot of information being shared which i think you might take for granted. also im sure youre used to div1 teamwork which is probably way more strategic and focused.

also schu:
i think when we played with "Sin" that might have put a REAL bad taste in your mouth, it certainly did for me. i also remember playing another game with you where we had an especially unorganized group of players running around with their heads cut off. im sure these 2 gathers influenced this post, and i just wanted to say that a lot of my gather experiences have been really positive and even when i lose my games i felt like it wasnt a complete stomp, but one team got a slight edge on another which lead them to a VICTORY.

just try to keep this into perspective and dont get caught up on 2 bad gathers in a row.

you are like 3 years too late to this game.

this game is dead AF.

You know this, Schu

Funny how people keep saying that yet they keep coming back here lol

While the game has declined, there is still a competitive scene and there are gathers happening everyday, it's still far from dead. Maybe you should find something better to do than post in the forums of a game you consider dead?

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narf says

this game is dead AF.

If everyone that said this actually played the game, it wouldn't feel dead in the slightest... its all you quitting pansies that are the problem :P

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It'd like to tell u guys what Mega told me when I asked him y he's not lisitening to shit: It's only a gather y would I give a shit.
I guess there is a lot of ppl like this. It's sad cause they use gathers as higher quality, taking forever to start, pubs and turn them in wtf are we doin here pubs but not comp at all.
And @Mega: I know it's not exactly what u were sayin but it was the core of what u said.

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Absurdon says

IMega told me when I asked him y he's not lisitening to shit: It's only a gather y would I give a shit.

This is why mega and kella should have been banned years ago for trolling. When those two (and others) were constantly queuing for gathers and had no intention of listening or playing with other people, only to join and "play" the game.

I completely get that people are within their right to join and play how they want, but it shows a complete lack of respect to everyone else in the gather who plays with the intention to working together in an organised manner to put together cool plays and win. I also understand the argument "who am I to say they're not playing properly" which is completely fair enough, that's why I stopped playing, because I am NOBODY to tell someone how to play, doesn't mean those people didn't disrespect me and others by not listening and cooperating and wasting our time.

Hellarious bastards 7v7 server has more communication and competitive nature than gathers and that server allows drop in/drop out play because it's a public server.

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turtsmcgurts

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yea i remember being a bit thrown off and annoyed when I first started to play gathers and found that there were people playing in a competitive environment that couldn't play at least one lifeform to a certain level. i've been spoiled from other games where there were enough people to have multiple pugs going of different skill levels though.

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phone

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dead? man i played literally the last ns1 gather to date dont tell me about dead games

rip ns1

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Mega

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Absurdon says

@Mega: I know it's not exactly what u were sayin but it was the core of what u said.
Mega told me when I asked him y he's not lisitening to shit: It's only a gather y would I give a shit.

Im glad your qutoing me wrong and and leaving out the context on this..

1. The game was over someone else allready GGd or gave up dont remeber exactly
2. you where picking me to command me around how to move exactly and what to do after you barley field commanded much of the round. (beside you wasnt the comm)
3. Fu

Wob says

This is why mega and kella should have been banned years ago for trolling. When those two (and others) were constantly queuing for gathers and had no intention of listening or playing with other people, only to join and "play" the game.

Kella stoped playing quiet a while ago
beside i dont troll gathers....
and nobody has a intention of not listening...
why would you even play gather then...

and while we are on it why not ban wob since he dosnt play it dosnt matter anyway......
some arguments are just mindboggling......

Wob says

I also understand the argument "who am I to say they're not playing properly" which is completely fair enough, that's why I stopped playing, because I am NOBODY to tell someone how to play, doesn't mean those people didn't disrespect me and others by not listening and cooperating and wasting our time.

Well this is what you just did with this statement from abouve into my direction thx...

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Tinki

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What you are describing are problems you can encounter even with your team in a pcw. You can't expect perfect teamplay from a gather, and i don't think it's a problem limited to low skill players.

Some people won't know how to rotate even with 1k hours, others will just rambo the whole game and make calls wich only works with 35% acc because they always refused to play without the best actual players and don't have any realist game sense anymore ("2 shotgun rush the hive ! easy win")

And finally remember that you can't win them all, sometimes it's because the other team is smart, sometimes it's because some of your teammates don't have C on their keyboards, and sometimes it will be because a german will go com just to sabotage the game by making small expected mistake the whole rond because it's his new way to be toxic in gathers.

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This is the most retarded post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcqQC02YbY

If people are so shit in gathers then dont play schu, play with your own mix.

like wob said; "who are we to tell people how to play a GAME"

People put 1000+ hours into this game and still dont know how to micro but guess what? They probably dont give a fuck and just like to play for fun.

Why dont you go for a bike ride or a nice coastal walk to put things into perspective.

So many try-hards at a time when the best arn't even here to contest.

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skyice says

This is the most retarded post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcqQC02YbY

If people are so shit in gathers then dont play schu, play with your own mix.

like wob said; "who are we to tell people how to play a GAME"

People put 1000+ hours into this game and still dont know how to micro but guess what? They probably dont give a fuck and just like to play for fun.

Why dont you go for a bike ride or a nice coastal walk to put things into perspective.

So many try-hards at a time when the best arn't even here to contest.

+1000

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loMe

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Just set the bar very low for your teammates and you will never be disappointed :)

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loMe says

Just set the bar very low for your teammates and you will never be disappointed :)

Sounds like you're ready to Join TAW :P

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Kash says

loMe says
Just set the bar very low for your teammates and you will never be disappointed :)

Sounds like you're ready to Join TAW :P

bm

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Wob

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Mega_noComm says

Wob says
This is why mega and kella should have been banned years ago for trolling. When those two (and others) were constantly queuing for gathers and had no intention of listening or playing with other people, only to join and "play" the game.

Kella stoped playing quiet a while ago
beside i dont troll gathers....
and nobody has a intention of not listening...
why would you even play gather then...

You basically do troll by deliberately not listening / not caring about anything your teammates say. Listening and deciding to the complete opposite of what the team decides to do is even worse and what you do. Why you do this and continue to play gathers I can only assume is because you are a massive troll who likes to aggravate the people who want to play the game seriously.

Mega_noComm says

and while we are on it why not ban wob since he dosnt play it dosnt matter anyway......
some arguments are just mindboggling......

You make a new argument and then call it mind boggling... Are you trying to bait me into being trolled again Mega? Oh you!

Mega_noComm says

Wob says
I also understand the argument "who am I to say they're not playing properly" which is completely fair enough, that's why I stopped playing, because I am NOBODY to tell someone how to play, doesn't mean those people didn't disrespect me and others by not listening and cooperating and wasting our time.

Well this is what you just did with this statement from abouve into my direction thx...

Yes it is, very perceptive. I am literally laying out the arguments from both sides of the table to show how both have merits and it's simply down to the players to choose to what they "philosophy" they subscribe to.

1. You join a gather with the intention to play 6v6 in a competitive environment. Those who do not listen and work together disrespect you and the whole gather system.

2. You join a gather with the intention to "have fun" in a 6v6 environment. Those who take it more seriously need to chill out because you choose to play it "chilled".

Both mentalities are incompatible and neither one can be objectively correct. No one is right whilst we have one gather system which is trying to accommodate "fun" play from "comp" play.

This is why Schu is complaining. He has an issue, is voicing it, and is now trying to convince people that the gather system should be used for those with a more competitive mentality. I think to achieve what he wants to achieve, he should have put in his opening post a suggestion to enforce a more vigorous competitive attitude, or something like two separate gather systems 1 for "fun" 1 for "comp" in order to separate those who just want to play, from those who want to play seriously competitive.

Everyone needs to step back from which ever "side" you are on and look at the real issue and find real solutions. Two incompatible mentalities playing one system. Now imo those who "play to have fun and not to be serious" are trolls in gathers because you have public servers, teams, and mixes to play in or create to have that fun. But if they really are that lazy to do it themselves, the poor fucking admins which get abused so much probably should implement a 2nd gather system for "fun".

If those gathers don't fill, and those players spill into the "comp" gathers and fuck about, they should be banned for trolling. EQUALLY, those who want to do "comp" gathers but go to "fun" gathers and harass and abuse players should be banned for abusive behaviour.

No mentality is better than the others, you can't convince people to not take gathers more or less seriously than they already are, and you shouldn't have to. But at the same time, don't fucking disrespect your fellow community by taking the piss and not listening in "comp" gathers, and not abusing people in "fun" gathers.

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Wob says

This is why mega and kella should have been banned years ago for trolling. When those two (and others) were constantly queuing for gathers and had no intention of listening or playing with other people, only to join and "play" the game.

#1 troll woby... You need to grow up at least 10 years before you throw shit to mega or me :)

Hey man its really short life... One day you have to express your ideas with fewer words... You are really boring this way...

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Mega will only kill cysts with pulse grenades.

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Alite

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You guys are fucking retarded

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keLLa says

#1 troll woby... You need to grow up at least 10 years before you throw shit to mega or me :)

Hey man its really short life... One day you have to express your ideas with fewer words... You are really boring this way...

If something is difficult for you, I'll take the time to explain it. I don't think it'll be hard for me to be a better father figure for you even in spite of my age

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All of these latest forum posts and so on summarize quite good the larger amount of players in NSL, some huge autism...

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Robby

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Maybe we could have two gathers; competitive and casual. If someone wants to gather to actually practice while they can't practice with their own team (or don't yet have a team) it would be pretty pointless if some people play it as a pub game. But at the same time, some people gather *only* to play casually yet to get away from the rookies of the pub servers. Neither of these groups are wrong and both of them deserve to play as they see fit. So, maybe there should be two gather-pages for different purposes. I don't see why not. Would keep the groups separate and ensure that both enjoy gathering more. Just make a copy of the files for the current gather, put it into a separate folder on the server, do the same with any potential databases, give them different names, maybe "Comp-Gather" and "Fun-Gather", and add a button for the second gather at the top menu.

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